conference right before noon to, again, attack the republics on the issue of the debt ceiling and they have to not play around with the debt ceiling powell is a sophisticated player. i don't think he does anything without thinking it through quite well. that's why i said what i said i want to make sure we have your allegations on the record. i don't want to put words in your mouth. >> it's a supposition. >> bill: you say that you think that collin powell was asked by someone to go out and defend chuck hagel's nomination. and at the same time, raise the spector that some people are owe posing the president's policies because he is black. that that was to put in one interview in one presentation. that's what you think may have happened? it might have happened. implication of what he said really is quite inprogram inflay to say least. it's in line with what liberal commentators have said for some time. every time you criticize barack obama there will be someone out there in the blogosphere or television or radio saying well you just like the fact that a black man is in power. it's ridiculous.